Podcast Episode

442 – Get Options Podcast

This week, it was my privilege to be a host of the Get Options podcast, episode 95. I’ve added the audio as this week’s show so you can get a taste of another WordPress podcast.

If you are looking for another podcast, I’d recommend checking out distributed.blog which is Matt Mullenweg’s podcast about distributed work. His plan is to do interviews to talk about what the work place looks like when people don’t have to report to an office.

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On today’s episode, we are going to listen into the Get Options Podcast. I’ll talk more about that right in a second. Let’s listen to the music, though, on episode #442.

Hello, and welcome to an episode of Your Website Engineer Podcast. My name is Dustin Hartzler and today I'm gonna do something a little bit different. And as you know, I'm still on sabbatical and I'm still working through a bunch of things and I've got a bunch of WordPress projects that are on my plate. I'm trying to redo somethings on YourWebsiteEngineer.com and trying to do some things on my wife’s website and I am working through some courses on Treehouse and a few different Javascript type courses and trying to learn along with doing all kinds of house projects. I'm just really, really busy.

And so today what I wanted to do is I wanted to let you listen in on another WordPress podcast that is run by my good friends, Adam Silver and Kyle Maurer. And I've been a guest on this show, I don’t know, a handful of times. This might have been my sixth or seventh time. I don’t know, I get to fill in when one or – one, either Kyle or Adam, are not there or sometimes all three of us are together in the room and we’ll record a podcast.

And it’s just kind of a fun like questions and answer show. We talk about what we’re wearing and what we’re drinking and the news in WordPress and all that kind of thing. And so it’s a shorter show, it’s only 30 minutes, so I decided to play that this week. You can listen to it and if you're not interested in the show whatsoever, then just you can go ahead and delete the podcast and I’ll be back next week with another plugin review to talk about. But that’s what I want to share.

The other big piece of news that’s happening and if you need more podcasts, if you are constantly on the go or in your car, you need more things to listen to, Matt Mullenweg, the cofounder of WordPress and the founder of Automattic now has a podcast over on Distributed.blog. And it talks all about what it’s like to run a distributed company. He’ll be talking to and be interviewing different people that run companies that are fully distributed. And kind of like Automattic is, is now over 900 people that work all over the world and nobody has a real office other than their houses or work from coffeeshops or whatnot.

So, that’s the one piece of news. We talk about it a little bit in the show as well, but that’s one news item that I want to let you know.

I just got back from a vacation, so I'm not really sure what else is going on in the WordPress space. I'm getting all the things caught up, but listen, go ahead and listen to this. It’s kind of a fun show, not a lot of WordPress in this one. In most shows there's one or two questions directly related to WordPress. And Adam and Kyle normally do some sort of funny answer and then kind of things that – you know they answer the question in pretty much the opposite way that they really want to and then they actually do it and give real advice and real suggestions.

And so with that, let’s go ahead and play the interview now.

Announcer: Coming to you from Cary, North Carolina, and Dayton, Ohio, it’s the Get Options Podcast with your hosts Adam Silver and Dustin Hartzler. This is the show where your WordPress questions are given some serious and not so serious options. And here they are.

Adam: Why hello, and welcome to episode 95 of the Get Options Podcast, the irreverent fun, advice show about your life with WordPress. I'm Adam Silver with my buddy, my compatriot, my buddy, my good friend, I said that twice for some reason, Dustin Hartzler. Say, hi, Dustin.

Dustin: Hi, Dustin. I'm here.

Adam: You are here. Why are you here? Where is Kyle?

Dustin: Where in the world. I think we should play Where in the World is Kyle?

Adam: Where in the world is Kyle. Kyle is galivanting. He is spending six weeks in Budapest, Hungary.

Dustin: Yeah, so it’s like the middle of the night there and –

Adam: It’s six hours ahead of us and he didn’t have quite the place yet to do a recording. He couldn’t find a quiet enough spot to do it, so we missed last week. And the week before, I think I was traveling. I don’t remember the schedule at this point, but we’re trying to bring a show. So, you are here because you –

Dustin: So, basically what you're saying is I'm the last, last choice. Oh, let’s get a show out. Let’s get him on the show.

Adam: Yes, yes. But, you know what, you're like, okay.

Dustin: Let’s do it.

Adam: Let’s do it. So, what's going on? So, you were gone actually all last week. That’s why we didn’t do a show last week because you were gone, actually. That’s right, we missed last week.

Dustin: Oh, it’s my fault now.

Adam: That’s right.

Dustin: Yes, I have been traveling the last couple weeks. Two weeks ago, I was on a work team meetup. With Automattic, we travel about once per year with our own individual teams and then once per year as a company. And so I was up in Toronto with my team of 12 and we just had a good time like just hanging out. Like, when you work online, like you see people in one hour per week in a hangout. And that’s about it. Everything else is text-based and you know you just don’t get that camaraderie, except for spending lots of amounts of time in a week together.

Adam: Right.

Dustin: So, that was the first week of May and the second week of May my family and I and my parents, we drove down to Hilton Head. It was the first time that we did a vacation via the road. Most of the time, we like to fly, we like to go places. And it’s just like door-to-door, it was like 12 hours, 13 hours to get there, but then it’s like, well, if we drove or if we flew like with two little kids and we gotta get to the airport early and then you sit and then you have to – there's no direct flights to Hilton Head from Dayton or any of the Ohio airports, so then it’s like, okay, now you gotta transfer and then you gotta wait to rent a car and then you gotta put all the car seats in. And it’s probably the same amount of time anyways, so –

Adam: And you went through my state. And I told you, I said, I'm always two hours away. You could have just headed a little further east and could have said hi.

Dustin: We could have, but you also could have headed a couple hours east – or west and –

Adam: That way.

Dustin: Yeah, you could have come that way.

Adam: But we couldn’t have recorded. I guess we could have done it in a car recording. That would have been kind of cool.

Dustin: Yeah, that would have been cool.

Adam: Come back.

Dustin: That’s about me. And I'm also on sabbatical.

Adam: That’s right.

Dustin: Starting from – the day that I came back from my team meetup, I came back on a Tuesday and then the Wednesday, which was probably like May 8th or so, I started sabbatical. And so Automattic gives all employees, once they’ve been there five years, an opportunity to take two or three months off. I don’t know of any person that’s taken two months off, but everybody goes for the full three.

So, it’s a paid sabbatical, so I am working on cleaning out the garage and putting up insulation. I've got lights to install outside and I've got a basement to finish. I've gotta build out my office. Adam is looking at me in my unfinished basement space. And then I also have to build a deck.

Adam: Yeah.

Dustin: And so I'm hoping that I can do all of those things in three months and just boom, boom, boom, boom. Lots of things for me to do.

Adam: Yeah, I don’t feel bad for you at all. Sabbatical, that’s crazy.

Dustin: Yeah, so I've been staying up late working on projects and going to bed and not getting enough sleep, but that’s what sabbaticals are all about, right?

Adam: Right, question mark? I don’t know.

Dustin: I don’t know.

Adam: Yeah. Rest and recharge away from work. And I guess that’s what, for you, that’s what – you know it’ll work out.

Dustin: Yeah, absolutely. So, what's up with you?

Adam: So, let’s see, in the last couple weeks, my daughter went to prom. That was awkward from the perspective of like, wow, I feel like I just went to prom 30 years ago, but still. Yeah, it was odd.

Yeah, so also, some news, I don’t know if you heard, but you know technically yesterday, with the recording of this show, Kitchen Sink came out, my other podcast, episode 273 came out. And I mentioned in the news something that was released, so you and Kyle and other friends have always given me a hard time about all of my ideas. And so one of those ideas finally made it to fruition. I didn’t tell you or Kyle about this, so Kyle still doesn’t know. He’ll find out when this show comes out. He has no idea.

So, you already probably know, but I bought a domain and I have a landing page, I'm gauging interest, I have a website for BackupSpeakers.com is my new little thing that I'm pursuing to try to fill a gap, I think, in the speaking industry. Not just WordPress speakers, but any speakers. So, for example, your lovely wife, she speaks a lot, so she can be on this as a listing and be – if you wanna check it out, it’s over at BackupSpeaker.com, so it’s kind of cool.

Dustin: Ah, that’s what the BUS stands for.

Adam: That’s what the BUS stands for, B, U, S, yeah.

And then also vacation days, you're on sabbatical, I'm not taking sabbatical, but I am calendaring – on my calendar, I'm putting X’s on certain days, like, for example, the Friday after this week. So, the first Friday of next month, of June, I will be off, going up to the mountains with some guys from the F3 Group, literally just taking a day off. I had a burnout episode a few weeks back and I realized I need time away also to recharge. So, I’ll be doing that much more in the next – the rest of this year. Like, literally, at least one or two days per month I need time away.

Dustin: That sounds good.

Adam: Yeah, it’s necessary, right? I mean we need it.

Dustin: I need one or two days away, so I took three months.

Adam: Nice, wow. That’s fabulous. Other than that, I guess that’s it in my life, yeah. Kids are about to have summer break in another month. Oh, yeah, and lastly, my daughter, she also starts college like in three months. Not even, just shy of three months, which is crazy also.

Dustin: That is crazy.

Adam: Yeah, so – all right. Let’s do this.

Announcer: This is the point at which we do, talk about everything that’s new.

Adam: So, I saw this. It happenstance just kind of came across my desktop. Matt launched a new blog and a podcast. Matt being – Matt Mullenweg. Do you know who that is? Do you know that guy?

Dustin: Yeah, I've heard of him before.

Adam: Yeah, so he's over – he has a new site over at Distributed.blog. He is talking about distributed workforces and teams, since he has been running one for 16 years, give or take, something like that. So, have you listened to the podcast or watched?

Dustin: I just subscribed. I'm on sabbatical; I don’t know what's happening inside of Automattic.

Adam: That’s awesome.

Dustin: I did see some teasers. I did see some teasers about coming and then I subscribed to, I think it was called Nuzzel. It’s a newsletter that’s curated by like friends of mine on Twitter, the things that they're posting and sharing. And there was a whole bunch of people that shared that, so that showed up in my email one day.

Adam: Okay.

Dustin: So, I did see it. I listened to the first episode, which is 1 minute and 30-some seconds.

Adam: Right, right.

Dustin: And felt, this is a good idea, I should probably put this in my RSS feed and/or my Overcast so I can start listening to it as I'm doing things this summer.

Adam: Yeah, so, I mean I think we need more blogs, more podcasts in the WordPress space.

Dustin: Yeah, right, exactly. I think what he's doing there is really cool. And just in the fact like Distributed.blog, I mean that's a great name.

Adam: Right.

Dustin: You know it’s – Automattic has always been one of those companies that’s just been a little bit ahead of the curve because they’ve always been distributed. I think it’s going to be interesting to talk to – to hear Matt interview and talk to other people that run companies that are distributed or have distributed or whatever that looks like and just try and see what that industry looks like across from other company perspectives.

Adam: Right.

Dustin: You know obviously I know what happens inside of Automattic because I live and breathe it and that’s my day-to-day work, but I think it’ll be interesting. And just always hearing from Matt, like he always – it’s interesting that – we have townhalls once a month and he just answers anybody’s questions and he kind of gives us an update of what's happening within Automattic and where we’re going and what kind of advertising or – you know like all kinds of things, you know it’s an open table.

But like every time he just like says some things of his vision, like I get inspired, even though like it has nothing to do with me. So, it’s just really interesting. I'm excited to hear it and I’ll listen to some of these –

Adam: Yeah.

Dustin: -- episodes on it.

Adam: I'm pretty sure he’ll have me on. He's been on my show twice, so I'm expecting an invitation pretty soon. My team is distributed.

Dustin: It is, 100 percent.

Adam: All five of us. There are five of us, technically. They're all independent contractors, but still.

Dustin: Yeah, absolutely.

Adam: It starts somewhere, right?

Dustin: Yep, absolutely.

Adam: All right, so other than that in the news, nothing really else in the news. It’s been kind of a light news week or so. You know 5.2 came out. You don’t know, you're out of the loop.

Dustin: Huh, I wouldn’t know.

Announcer: What you're wearing, what you're reading, what you're drinking now. What you wearing, what you reading, what you drinking now?

Adam: All right, I’ll go first on this one. I'm wearing GiveWP. I like that team over there, wearing their shirt for Give.

Dustin: I like the shirt. I have one too.

Adam: Yes. And I'm also – I'm drinking water. I'm trying to match you, which will never happen truly, not for many years, I'm sure. But I am drinking water out of a 2019 WordCamp Orange County pint glass. I surprised everybody there a few weeks back when I went to Orange County, drinking water.

And I'm still reading Mindset. It’s just a very – I've checked this out twice. No, third time in a row now. It is a very dense book. It’s not that many pages. It’s just I'm having a – it’s a very slow read for me, which is rare. So, I'm still reading Mindset by – I can't think of her name all the sudden. I’ll link in the show notes, so there you go.

Dustin: I had the experience too, to go and renew a book that I'd had on my shelf for a while. Kind of embarrassing, kind of makes me feel like Kyle and not taking forever to read a book.

So, I had one of those episodes as well, like can you return this so I can check it back out? Thanks. But I am reading – or I guess I'm wearing an old school Woo t-shirt. I believe this is a WooCommerce one from 2016, maybe WordCamp 2016, which I actually wasn’t there, but I was able to snag one of the shirts anyways.

Adam: I have that shirt.

Dustin: Yeah, it’s a nice one. It was a good one today. I went back to CrossFit. I'm trying out the different CrossFit communities in the area. I don’t have a home gym. Well, I've got a home gym, but I don’t have like a home gym or a home community to work out with and whatnot. So, I'm looking for that this summer. And so I've got a little bit of a protein shake I'm finishing up after the workout. I've got my water bottle, which I’ll probably finish off before Adam can drink his glass of water.

Adam: Oh.

Dustin: And let’s see, what else do I get? I'm reading a book that’s called Basements Complete. I'm not really reading it, per se, but since I'm doing all things in the basement, I figured maybe I should read and make sure I'm doing things the right way. So, I've got a bunch of lumber, I've got all of the electrical stuff that I need. I just need to get lights and insulation and that’s pretty much gonna get me – I built my office this summer and then I'm gonna pay somebody to do all the drywall, just because I don’t want to deal with the drywall, the headaches. You know I can hire somebody; they can get it done in two or three days, it’s completely done, and that would just save me so much time, effort, and energy.

So, Basements Complete, it’s not really what I'm reading. I've got a couple other fiction books that I got on my Kindle and whatnot, but that’s the one that takes priority right now.

Adam: Sounds good. Okay, moving onto – hey, Dustin, guess what time it is? That’s right, it’s questions time. You sent them in, we read them, we researched them, and now it’s time to give you some options. Are you ready, Dustin? Are you ready? Because here we go. They're coming.

Dustin: You do research for these?

Adam: Yeah, you're supposed to research these.

Dustin: Oh, okay.

Adam: Yeah, you spent a good solid, what, day on these?

Dustin: Yeah, I mean you sent it to me about an hour ago.

Adam: Well, only like four hours ago. Okay, anyway.

Dustin: Yeah, anyways.

Adam: All right, first question, do you want to ask that first one? Or I’ll ask that first one for you, you start. So, this one is sent in by Serena Dawn. Can we talk about LinkedIn for a second? Does anyone still use it? Does everyone just accept connections requests from everyone else? What do you got?

Dustin: Let’s talk about LinkedIn.

Adam: Okay.

Dustin: It’s been a long time since I've signed in. I'm gonna go ahead and sign in here live while we’re talking.

Adam: Oh, good.

Dustin: Just to see what's going on with LinkedIn. I know that LinkedIn is a place that people spend a lot of time and energy in putting together their perfect profile. And they even put their blog posts on there and different things. And it’s like, is this really a platform for this? I guess I've never really seen it as one of the big social media. You know a lot of people say there's the Facebook, there's Twitter, there's LinkedIn, there's YouTube, but I never really had that. I never really had that as a thing.

But I am, again, I'm trying to get my two-factor authentication so I can log in and see what's going on here with my LinkedIn profile.

Adam: Well, while you do that, I’ll tell you real quick, so from my perspective, because I'm older, it has been always a place that I've gone to for like when I was looking for jobs. It was that. And then for a while they had groups and they had some – try to grow more into a forums type of place, which I kind of bounced out pretty quick.

But I will tell Serena this. So, do people still use it? Yes. Do people request connections from anyone who requests? I did for a while and now I don’t. I'm much more picky. But I do – how I do use it lately is I’ll just apply for jobs all the time, like once or twice a week, and then I’ll ghost the recruiter. That’s an option you can do something with it, just so you know.

Dustin: Huh, interesting. So, I'm logged in now, I'm looking at it, and I do see that I have a ton of birthday messages, who knew? My birthday was in March and so you can tell how long it’s been since I've logged into LinkedIn. And I haven’t – I have a – the very first message that I have is from Cassie and she says, thanks for being an active member. And again, I haven’t logged in, in months. And she's – based on my activity level, she is offering me premium for free.

Adam: Hey, Cassie offers that to me every other week. For like one-month trial, right?

Dustin: Yeah.

Adam: Yeah.

Dustin: So, that's that. And I do get a lot of, also, people that say like congratulations on my work anniversary.

Adam: Right.

Dustin: Like, okay, you know –

Adam: Hey, I did that for you.

Dustin: Yeah. You also have a birthday message to me via –

Adam: I know. Well, I log in. I mean I do check it out. Also, because I use LinkedIn a lot, at least once a week, I post there Thursdays for Kitchen Sink. You know I do a – in my social media shares I have a system where I'm sharing the podcast, the other podcast. And one of those things is LinkedIn on Thursdays, so I kind of do a follow-up there. Yeah, I use it. I mean so –

Dustin: Gotcha. Have you found connections with other developers or like designers or anything there?

Adam: Yeah, so honestly, I do get hit up a lot from people, mostly overseas, developers who because of connections from the community. I used to accept just everybody blindly, but then the problem was once I started doing that I realized then they were just trying to sell me something. They're like, hey, we have this service, hey, we work for this agency. I'm like, ah.

So, now I don’t go quite open to everyone. I just – I’ll wait – every two or three weeks I’ll go through the list. And it might be 10 to 12 people, 20 sometimes, and I’ll say yes or no. If I've met you in person and you're local, potentially, or even afar, it doesn’t really matter. If I've met you at a conference, more than likely I'm gonna accept it.

Dustin: Hmm.

Adam: And I'm trying to really curate my connections more than just being a connection to somebody else or a bridge to something like that. I want to have a true relationship, ideally, with somebody.

So, I think in answer to Serena’s question, yes, I still use it, people do use it, but it’s getting – it’s a little awkward. It’s in-between overly salesy, how to make money, be rich, in my opinion, like all these little things. So, I'm pretty – I scroll through it with a grain of salt, if you will.

Dustin: Gotcha. And I think it really depends on where you are. Like, I'm very happy at Automattic, like there's no reason for me to really connect with other people. I have 900 colleagues that I can't even keep up with and connect with inside the company and I have – you know I can do direct messaging and whatnot there.

Adam: Right.

Dustin: And so like I don’t feel like I do that, so it’s like why would I spend the time on a platform like LinkedIn? And I know that in the past I've spent a lot of time like building out that profile and getting endorsed for different – I was endorsed for WordPress and design, you know like development, or whatever those terms are. But I just haven’t felt like – I think I'm not the best person to answer the question in the fact that I am kind of a step outside of that industry and I'm not fully looking for – to make connections.

Adam: Right.

Dustin: I can barely keep up with the people that live on my street and the people that I work with. So, yeah, that’s where I see it, but I do – I blindly say yes to everybody.

Adam: Yeah.

Dustin: I have 1,028 connections and – I mean I haven’t logged in a long – oh, here, I have 29 more. So, I might as well just go ahead and accept these. I've got front end UI developer, I've got a graphic Wordpress, lowercase P, designer.

Adam: Yeah, that’s always a problem, is the lowercase P.

Dustin: Yeah, so I'm just gonna go ahead – Cammie, our good friend, Cammie, from Automattic who runs the WordCamps, she asked to be my friend.

Adam: Okay.

Dustin: And I accept that.

Adam: Never heard of her, never heard of her. I'm kidding, she's awesome.

All right, you do that. I think we’re gonna go to the second question. Thanks for that one, Serena. So, there are some options. Yes, use it or, no, don’t use it. It’s up to you. Those are two options for you.

All right, second question is actually an audio clip. And this one is a familiar voice. Let’s go ahead and play this one.

Kyle: Considering how much you both know about me, what do you think are the parenting mistakes I am most likely to commit over the next few years with my daughter?

Adam: That was obviously Kyle, in case of those who didn’t recognize his voice. So, I will go first on this one, as I have the age and the wisdom of being a parent longer than both of you. Where to start?

So, my dear friend, Kyle, let’s see. So, from my observations so far, mistakes have been made. Family functions, holiday celebrations, by taking your daughter to those. Taking her camping, all that giggling and laughter, taking her to the bar, the concerts that you play in your band, letting her dance in the house. And finally, taking her out of the country, huge mistake, big, big, big mistake.

Okay, as far as future mistakes, I would say you'll only have to go a few more steps and you’ve ruined her for life. If you teach her how to read and let her date, it’s over. So, those are the options that I give you.

Dustin: So, do none of those.

Adam: Do none of those. And I mean you’ve already made so many mistakes. I mean there's gonna be years upon years of therapy that this kid, Abigail – no, I'm kidding.

Honestly, parenting mistakes, you're gonna be so protective that you'll smother her and she’ll push away a little bit, but then she’ll come back around and realize how awesome of a dad you are. So, there you go.

Dustin: Yeah, so, I don’t know if I can follow that up. I have half as many, okay, not even half as many years of experience in fatherhood. I have two kids myself, a 5-year-old and a 2-year-old. And they're in just the best stages of life right. They're so – they like to play with each other. Kennedy all the time is, my daughter, is always saying like, oh, Kellen says this. And I was like, Kellen can talk now and I did not hear him say that. So, it’s like he motioned it, that’s what he wants.

But I don’t – I could come up with a ton of funny things to say about what you could do wrong or what you may mess up, but it’s always, I found in my five years of being a father, like you're gonna mess up all the time, things are gonna just not be right, and you're gonna do something that upsets one of them or both of them at the same time. You're gonna have times when one or two people in your family are crying and it might be you and the kid. I mean that stuff just happens and it’s the way of life. And I think as long as you are there, you're a constant father figure, you're always – you know working from home really helps that you're there, that you're not having to drive and be commuting and being away all the time. I think just being very, what's the word I'm looking for, just being very –

Adam: Attentive.

Dustin: Attentive and very intentional about the time. Don’t be done with work and be like, okay, let’s go play, Abigail, but then you're pushing her with one hand and you are – when she's on the swing and you’ve got your phone in the other hand and you're like reading Twitter or Slack or whatever. I think that could be a huge mistake.

I, lots of times, just leave the phone. I put it on do not disturb mode from 5:00 to 7:30, those are kind of the hours. Adam knows, he's tried to getting ahold of me during that window, and it’s like, oh, I never seen the message because I just have it on do not disturb.

Adam: Right.

Dustin: Let’s not have dinnertime compromised by phone ringing and kind of derailing the nighttime process.

Adam: Right. I will tell you, I mean between the three of us, I mean I have obviously been a dad three times longer than you. So, there you go, based on years, and I have three kids. And you guys, both of you, are amazing dads and parents – and co-parent with your spouses, respectively.

Mistakes I made were I was that guy where I would work a lot because I was selfish and I was really focused on doing better for the family only in the financial respect, nothing else, and that was unfortunate, from my perspective. Looking back at it, I was – early on, I was a good dad when it was convenient. And I hate to say that, it sucks to say it, and it hurts, but it’s the truth. And I've learned that and I've tried to share with the younger generation, hey, don’t do that. And you guys – both of you guys are awesome at what you're doing there. And the fact that you do work from home, there are differences there as well. And you make them a priority, which is great.

Because I will tell you, I remember literally being your ages, with the kids of the age, and seeing somebody at a store who was my age now and saying, they would tell me, oh, it goes by so fast. And I'm like, sure, thing, old man. That’s me now. It’s a blink of an eye. I mean, and like I said, Avalon is gonna be in college in two and a half months, three months, and it blows me away in that she's 18, she’ll be 19. She won't be home for her birthday this year. That’s weird to me. She’ll be in college. She won't be around. I mean I won't be either. I’ll be at WordCamp US, but whatever. But you know she won't be home and that’s just odd.

So, yeah, you know there are no mistakes. There are only choices and learning from those choices.

Dustin: Yeah, absolutely.

Adam: Right?

Dustin: And one of the things is maybe when you go to say like what can I do or what could I fail as a parent? Like, I think the cool part about where we are in society or the way that the world works now, like let Abigail like follow her passions and her dreams. Like, you know, like maybe if she wants to be a dancer, you know like let her do that. Like, that’s not – you know it’s not that she can't make money doing that someday or kind of forcing her down the stereotypical like you must go to college, you must get a job, you must do that, you must do that, when in reality like you could spend time just teaching her WordPress. You know maybe design, like design is a huge thing. You know like there can go so many different routes and I kind of wish that, granted, there wasn’t internet when I was little and there definitely wasn’t when Adam was little.

Adam: Hey, hey.

Dustin: But we’re in that point where like little kids are starting to have YouTube channels and starting to get a following, and doing all those types of things that we never would have dreamed of. And just keep your eyes open for those possibilities, you know the things that are out there.

Adam: I will say this one last thing from my perspective is I would not, how do I want to word this, I would – I think it would be a mistake to overexpose Abigail and Kenley and Kellen to too much internet, to too much devices. It’s easy just to use that as the babysitter.

Like, we used to use the TV or we used to, you know whatever it may be, to some extent. I mean it is what it is. People have done it their whole – for the last 50 years in some capacity. I think technology specifically can be detrimental to young brains. This is a known fact. And you know, so I would try to limit that. And just it’s hard, it’s really hard. I mean my kids are now teenagers and I've lost, so I can't recover.

Dustin: Until you turn the Wi-Fi off.

Adam: Right. And then it’s like – but then the two of them have phones and now they're just using my data, so it’s still a – it’s a lose/lose.

So, anyway, all right, I think we answered his question well enough and the other one from Serena. Cool. If you have any questions, by all means, you know where to send them, people.

Moving onto this week’s segment is what, what is this week’s segment? Oh, it’s this.

[Music Plays]

Adam: All right, this is the segment and the game we play where we ask each other a question to name as many somethings in a category as we can in 30 seconds or less. We try to keep track the best we can. I’ll do the timing music. We’ll kind of track it that way. Do you want to go first or do you want me to go first?

Dustin: I can ask mine first.

Adam: Okay, all right.

Dustin: This is my least favorite game of all the games.

Adam: I know.

Dustin: Because I am nowhere near good at it. But I did come up with one and I don’t think it’s been ever used before on this show.

Adam: Okay.

Dustin: So, we’ll go ahead and do it. And as an Apple aficionado and someone that used to work for Apple and someone that is constantly behind on their Apple technology software updates and whatnot.

Adam: I want stability. Okay.

Dustin: Yes, yes, yes. My question for you, are you ready to hit the Jeopardy music? My question is what – name as many of the named operating systems, like Mavericks, et cetera, I’ll give you that one for free, that Apple has released.

Adam: Okay, ready.

Dustin: Set go.

[Jeopardy Theme Plays]

Adam: I'm gonna turn that down. All right, so you want the nicknames, like OS10?

Dustin: Like the nicknames.

Adam: Okay.

Dustin: Like Mavericks.

Adam: Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Tiger – what's after Tiger? Leopard, I actually know, this is pretty good, Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion, how much time do I have left, Mavericks, Yosemite, El Capitan, and Mojave. Is that the last one? I think so.

Dustin: That’s 12. You missed one. You missed – there was one right in the middle that I was like, oh, you missed. Sierra. Did you –

Adam: Did I? I don’t know. I’ll take 12.

Dustin: Sierra.

Adam: 12 is good.

Dustin: Wind it back. What did he say?

Adam: [makes rewinding noise], no, all right. It’s funny that you picked that topic and that category because I did something similar for you, my friend.

Dustin: Okay.

Adam: And ideally, you should blow me out of the water, you really should, okay, because I won't know if you're right or wrong type of thing.

Dustin: That’s my favorite –

Adam: So, you studied and you are degreed in all things electrical engineering. So, I went to the Google, found a site, it’s called – I found the site and I said, glossary of electrical engineering terms. You ready?

Dustin: Sure.

Adam: Go.

Dustin: So, like capacitor, resistor –

Adam: Yes.

Dustin: Wire, voltage, amps, meter, multimeter, digital – uh, [audio cuts out]. Again, I'm not a practicing electrical engineer. A voltmeter –

Adam: 9. Yes, I win. You got 9. Yeah, there are, obviously, so many. Um, yeah, B-field, bandwidth, band signal.

Dustin: That’s like saying like light switch, outlet, those are all electrical engineering fields.

Adam: Yeah, I will put the link in the show notes of what I found. So, yay, I won, awesome. So, I'm so happy.

Dustin: That’s not a big deal that you won. I've lost that game every time.

Adam: Yeah, it’s true, it’s true. All right, so you want to wrap us up, like Kyle does?

Dustin: Yeah, I've got 13 more minutes, so let’s go ahead and wrap us up. So, thanks so much for listening and tuning in this week. Thanks for having me, Adam.

Adam: Yep.

Dustin: And thanks for having me, Kyle, which he may or may not know we’re recording this show. So, thanks to Kyle, like thanks for letting me come in. But if you are interested of asking any questions, you can head on over to the website, GetOptionsPodcast.com.

You can send an email to questions@GetOptionsPodcast.com or you can use the SpeakPipe functionality on the website. And that’s basically what we need. We need more questions because I'm guessing the queue is getting kind of small because they answer questions every single week and you know – how many people? I don’t get to know this information because I'm just a cohost, a cohosted host. And so there could be a lot of questions, but there also could not be, so I'm just helping my good friends Adam and Kyle to just fill the queue up, ask some questions.

As you can see, today’s podcast didn’t really talk about WordPress at all. Like, if you gotta branch outside that, you know LinkedIn is kind of like WordPress, but not really, and parenting is nowhere near it, but I gave some WordPress advice, and so that kind of made the show fit together. But that’s basically what we’re going on with as the wrap-up. And I mean, that was only 30 seconds, so I could probably go a little longer just to – as Kyle likes to say it, but let’s go ahead and wrap us up.

Where can you find us online, Adam?

Adam: So, you can find us online, Twitter primarily. We’re @Get_Options, Kyle is over @MrKyleMaurer, I'm at @heyadamsilver. Where are you on Twitter?

Dustin: @DustinHartzler.

Adam: And we’re also on SoundCloud @Get_Options. Say goodbye, Dustin.

Dustin: Say goodbye, Dustin.